Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.

In an editorial last week, the NY Times, always 'unbiased', tried to change the constitution, and in so doing, came across looking like a bunch of fools:

The White House has tried to create an air of inevitability around Judge Alito's confirmation. But the public is skeptical. In a new Harris poll, just 34 percent of those surveyed said they thought he should be confirmed, while 31 percent said he should not, and 34 percent were unsure. Nearly 70 percent said they would oppose Judge Alito's nomination if they thought he would vote to make abortion illegal - which it appears he might well do.

Now many conservatives and right to lifers have been railing against Roe V Wade for the last 30 years.  But no Jurist sitting on the bench anywhere in this country has the ability to make abortion illegal!  Indeed, before Roe v. Wade, Abortion WAS legal, just not in every state.  And as has been pointed out on JU before, over turning Roe V. Wade would not by fiat make abortion automatically illegal.  It would just then allow laws that predated the ruling to once again go into force, which means that in only 15 states would it be illegal, while in 35 it would still be legal.

Now I understand that the 'average' American does not follow politics close enough to understand what Roe V Wade is all about.  But for a major Newspaper to be so ignorant, and to display its ignorance in black and white is sheer incompetence!  Or, worse, pure propaganda.

In either case it is a bald face lie, and one so blatant one cannot help but assume that the management of the Times are either liars, Pro Abortion Stooges, or incompetent. Or all 3.

Given their record of late, I would vote for the latter.


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on Jan 16, 2006

If the experts are right, some time this month, perhaps somewhere in the suburban South or West, a couple, most likely white Anglo-Saxon Protestants or Hispanic, will conceive a baby who, when born in October, will become the 300 millionth American - NY Times, Jan 13, 2006

So is the times now admitting that they are babies, and not just a mass of amlagamated tissue?

on Jan 16, 2006
In an editorial last week, the NY Times, always 'unbiased', tried to change the constitution, and in so doing, came across looking like a bunch of fools:

I guess someone needs to state the obvious. The article was an editorial, not a news story.
on Jan 16, 2006

I guess someone needs to state the obvious. The article was an editorial, not a news story.

So they can change the constitution in an editorial and that is ok?  Your repsonse is non-sequitar.  NO one claimed it was a news story.  But even an editorial has to be rooted in fact.

on Jan 16, 2006
You're seeing things that are not there. They weren't saying that he could, on his own, make abortion illegal. They're saying he would cast a vote to make it illegal. I think the average reader gets the gist of what they're saying. If they were implying that he could do it on his own they probably would have phrased it as "he would make it illegal".
on Jan 16, 2006
Again, it's not a case of his vote making it illegal. It would be his vote for, or against, allowing the states to decide for themselves whether it should legal IN THAT STATE.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

Too many people, on both sides of the issue, read more into a decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. It's just not there.

There's also the fact that they have to have a case before them before they can make that decision (keep or kill). Without a case to decide that falls under the effects of Roe v. Wade, it will stand. Who knows? It might never come to a head. Not that I'm holding my breath on that one, but it's always a possibility.
on Jan 16, 2006
In a word...














YES.
on Jan 16, 2006

They weren't saying that he could, on his own, make abortion illegal.

Nearly 70 percent said they would oppose Judge Alito's nomination if they thought he would vote to make abortion illegal - which it appears he might well do.[/quote]

Now show me where I stated the he could, on his own?  Clearly, as they stated, Read the bold part!

What part of that do you not understand?

he cant!

on Jan 16, 2006

Again, it's not a case of his vote making it illegal. It would be his vote for, or against, allowing the states to decide for themselves whether it should legal IN THAT STATE.

You get what the liberals do not, nor does the NY Times.  But you would expect for them to at least try to get it right!

on Jan 16, 2006

In a word...

A lady of few words!  But more accurate than the Gray old Lady!

on Jan 16, 2006

They're saying he would cast a vote to make it illegal.

You like being wrong.  You are as wrong, as the NY times!  I will leave you to pick which one of the 3 you are.

He cannot cast a vote to make it illegal.  PERIOD.

on Jan 16, 2006
You like being wrong. You are as wrong, as the NY times! I will leave you to pick which one of the 3 you are.

He cannot cast a vote to make it illegal. PERIOD.


Play word games all you want, but someone would have to be mentally challenged to not be able to see the intent of what they were saying.

I don't care whether you think I'm wrong or not. It doesn't kill me to admit that I'm wrong every now and then. I would rather be wrong occasionally than be a coward like you who will never admit to being wrong/and or lying. Case in point...the thread about FISA rejecting a warrant request regarding Moussaoui.

Back the topic at hand...

So they can change the constitution in an editorial and that is ok? Your repsonse is non-sequitar. NO one claimed it was a news story. But even an editorial has to be rooted in fact.


I don't really think they have "changed the constitution". It's just an editorial, not a consitutional amendment. It IS "rooted" in fact...there are lots of facts in there, along with some of their opinion.

ed·i·to·ri·al Audio pronunciation of "editorial" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-tôr-l, -tr-)
n.

1. An article in a publication expressing the opinion of its editors or publishers.
2. A commentary on television or radio expressing the opinion of the station or network.

Don't see anything there about it being rooted in fact though.
on Jan 16, 2006
Play word games all you want, but someone would have to be mentally challenged to not be able to see the intent of what they were saying.

I don't care whether you think I'm wrong or not. It doesn't kill me to admit that I'm wrong every now and then. I would rather be wrong occasionally than be a coward like you who will never admit to being wrong/and or lying. Case in point...the thread about FISA rejecting a warrant request regarding Moussaoui


Just keep running your mouth and see how fast you get b/l accross the board. And if you say you don't really care, then by al means leave. What you've just said would be considered a personal attack!
on Jan 16, 2006
Just keep running your mouth and see how fast you get b/l accross the board. And if you say you don't really care, then by al means leave. What you've just said would be considered a personal attack!


I was responding to the comment he made about me but, if anyone would know a "personal attack", it would be you. What's with you and all the personal attack talk lately? You made you the judge around here? You should try to keep things on topic.
on Jan 16, 2006
By the way....the article quoted the text of the poll regarding making abortion illegal. The question asked in the poll is;

"If you thought that Judge Alito, if confirmed, would vote to make abortions illegal, would you favor or oppose his confirmation?"

So why fault them for that and not the pollsters?

Link
on Jan 17, 2006

Play word games all you want, but someone would have to be mentally challenged to not be able to see the intent of what they were saying.

No, you are the one playing word games.  The TRUTH is as stated.  Deny it!  Please!  But you cannot.  Instead now, as usual, you are trying to change the subject.  But, no, I will not let you.  Please show me the errors here?  not the intent as you percieve it (since unless you work for the times, you dont KNOW it).

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