Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.

That is an interesting question.  When the price of gas was too high, what did you do?

Many bitched and moaned and accused the greedy oil companies of price gouging.  Indeed, Congress wants (another) committee to look into it.  And some of the moaners were actually Republicans.  But alas, most were Green Friendly democrats.  So question number one is: Why?

When the price went through the ceiling, I cut back.  Many did, some could not.  But consumption did fall.  Which means that less bad gasses were getting into the atmosphere, and hence global warming was delayed by a day or two.  So what was the problem there?  For all the green friendly people, what is so bad about high energy prices?  Don't you even listen to your constituency?  Earth friendly, ELF, The Sierra Club, all want that, why don't you?  If you goal is to reduce the green house gasses, jack up the price!  Hell, those quick trips to the market will disappear as will many long vacation drives.

OK, so you are not a green.  But you are all for the poor and do not want them to suffer.  So prices have to stay low.  Now question number 2: How do you ensure low prices?

Answer: Increase supply!  The more available gas, then the producers cannot demand a price, they have to bid for your patronage!  And how do you increase the supply?  Drill for more!  So why are the liberals who pretend they want to help the poor, not for drilling in ANWR?  While that may not reduce the price of oil to 50 cents a gallon, it will do a couple of things.  First, it will moderate the price rise (that is called a cut in Washington-ease - just ask Gideon on his Food Stamp article).  Second, it will increase the supply, which will lead to actual reductions in price.  The poor will be helped!  A perfect solution to one of the poor's problems.  Actually many since oil is the basis for many of life's taken for granted pleasures!

So why are the "For the Poor" liberals not in favor of increasing the supply?

So here we have a nice little quiz.  I would love to hear how we can stop global warming, decrease the price of oil, help the poor, save the environment, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil so we don't have to have another war for oil.

But wait!  We have one more question.  OK, substitutes.  How many are for replacing oil as an energy source?  OK, how many have voted against new Nuclear power plants.  Since the first one built, only one has had a significant accident, and that was in the old USSR.  They are environmentally friendly, so there is no green house gasses.  But, there is that pesky spent uranium!  Yea, that is a mess, right?

OK, so their is solar power and wind power and water power!  But wait!  Strike water power.  That stops fish from fulfilling their manifest destiny.  So how about solar and Wind power? Oh, drat!  There are those ugly windmills and solar panels!  As we heard from  Bobby Jr, better to burn oil, than to despoil a view of a beach!  And those solar panels? Well, on a large scale they have not been commercially feasible yet.  But they are on an individual basis!

So the next question is - How many of the Greens now use solar or wind energy solely?  What? only a handful?  Why how could they be dangerous?  Is that not the be all and end all of their positions?  What?  They still burn fossil fuels? (a misnomer BTW).

OK, Final Question:  Who is bitching about no energy policy?  And how does their voting record stand with the above issues and questions?

And you still vote for them on this issue?

Sorry, one more question.  If you are a green, why are you not producing alternate sources of energy to oil?  Are you so lazy as to let someone else get rich off your ideas, and then blast them for getting rich because they are more ambitious than you?


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on Dec 27, 2005
Ironically enough, many in the Sierra Club complained not because of the price being too high, mind you, but because the profits from the gas were going to the oil companies rather than a prohibitively high tax being imposed to fund groups like the Sierra Club. In other words, they weren't complaining that money was being made, they were complaining that THEY weren't making it!

As I pointed out before, though...most US oil companies are publicly traded, and most pay dividends. If libs feel like there's such a huge profit being made in the oil companies, you think they'd buy into them and put the resultant profits into their liberal causes.

That'd be the smart move, anyway. But I, at least, am not going to accuse many of the liberal leaders of being overly smart.
on Dec 27, 2005
I drove the car less often. I walked when ever I could. I was good excersize, I lost a few pounds so I an not that unhappy with the prices being so high.

Col Gene, I find it interesting that you being the one complaining about the defecit and how Bush keeps giving money to the Big Corps, like right here on this very article:

They just got $12 Billion more of a gift from Bush and the conservatives in Congress.


But you want to :

Establish tax credits for car manufacturers who achieve the established standards.


Make up your mind, as drmiller said you can't have it both ways.
on Dec 27, 2005
good catch, DJ!
on Dec 27, 2005
You also noted I would impose tax surcharges if they did not achieve the higher mileage requirements. I would also restore the tax rates to the pre 2001 rates on the wealthy to help pay for these tax credits to stimulate energy development.

The higher energy costs do not end at the gas pump. Wait until people begin receiving their home heating bills. Much of the added cost to drive our cars and heat our homes goes either to the FAT oil companies or to foreign countries for the oil. There is no completion in the oil business. They control the supply and how much of each product they refine and create the supply that helps them add to their profit. For any of you Bushies that do not believe it, look at the increases profit last quarter when they were charging $3.00 plus for a gallon of gasoline. They will be doing the very same thing this winter with natural gas and home heating oil. The $12 Billion in tax credits that the Bush energy Bill just gave the oil companies could have been used to help fund my energy proposals. Why did we give an industry that had record profits of $33 Billion in the last quarter another $12 Billion in tax cuts? Answer, they are part of the Bush Base! Screw the average person so the Bush supporters can get even more wealthy!
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on Dec 27, 2005
I'd like gas prices to reach about 5 bucks a gall, just to watch all those SUV fuckers that tailgate me everyday to work cry and sell their fucking gas-guzzlers!


no joke
on Dec 27, 2005
Answer: Increase supply! The more available gas


Wait a sec, if you find that your household expenses are outweighing your income you start by cleaning house and seeing if there is anything you can cut out or cut down.
Then you see if you can find new sources of income.

Put this now in respect to the US and have we really tried to tighten our belts on oil as a country before we are looking for new sources of oil?
on Dec 27, 2005

You also noted I would impose tax surcharges if they did not achieve the higher mileage requirements. I would also restore the tax rates to the pre 2001 rates on the wealthy to help pay for these tax credits to stimulate energy development.

The higher energy costs do not end at the gas pump. Wait until people begin receiving their home heating bills. Much of the added cost to drive our cars and heat our homes goes either to the FAT oil companies or to foreign countries for the oil. There is no completion in the oil business. They control the supply and how much of each product they refine and create the supply that helps them add to their profit. For any of you Bushies that do not believe it, look at the increases profit last quarter when they were charging $3.00 plus for a gallon of gasoline. They will be doing the very same thing this winter with natural gas and home heating oil. The $12 Billion in tax credits that the Bush energy Bill just gave the oil companies could have been used to help fund my energy proposals. Why did we give an industry that had record profits of $33 Billion in the last quarter another $12 Billion in tax cuts? Answer, they are part of the Bush Base! Screw the average person so the Bush supporters can get even more wealthy!


I just love the way you avoid the statement. So I suppose that your tax surcharge will out weigh the tax "break" given? Don't think so. How long do you think it would take for the mfg's to come into line. Lets see now...tax break if I do, tax surcharge if I don't. Tough decision. I also note that you avoided EVERY other point I made. So then I guess everyone else is right! You ARE a one trick pony!
on Dec 27, 2005

Ironically enough, many in the Sierra Club complained not because of the price being too high, mind you, but because the profits from the gas were going to the oil companies rather than a prohibitively high tax being imposed to fund groups like the Sierra Club. In other words, they weren't complaining that money was being made, they were complaining that THEY weren't making it!

Dont you love the Hypocrisy!  I sure do!  I pay through the nose and then sit back and watch the complainers!

on Dec 27, 2005

Make up your mind, as drmiller said you can't have it both ways.

Not hardly as long as the President is Bush!

on Dec 27, 2005

Reply By: Gideon MacLeish
Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2005
good catch, DJ!

He is getting very good!  I am going to have to read him more closely!

on Dec 27, 2005

You also noted I would impose tax surcharges if they did not achieve the higher mileage requirements.

You will also note (like all your other hypocritical and failed ideas) that only people pay taxes? Surcharge?  Sure!  Watch for it at the pumps.

Do you ever engage brain before fingers?

on Dec 27, 2005

I'd like gas prices to reach about 5 bucks a gall, just to watch all those SUV fuckers that tailgate me everyday to work cry and sell their fucking gas-guzzlers!

Thank you!  You are honest and willing to stand for your beliefs!  I do not agree with all of them, but actually, this is one I do!  Please, go to the head of your party and throw the hypocrits out!

on Dec 27, 2005

Answer: Increase supply! The more available gas


Wait a sec, if you find that your household expenses are outweighing your income you start by cleaning house and seeing if there is anything you can cut out or cut down.
Then you see if you can find new sources of income.

Put this now in respect to the US and have we really tried to tighten our belts on oil as a country before we are looking for new sources of oil?

You are right and wrong (and perhaps that is my fault).  YOu are right in your answer, but not in the context of that answer.  MY question was meant to be "How do you help the poor", and the answer was as above.  You decrease cost to them.

YOu are right in your response, but then the poor do not have the flexibility to do that, now do they?

on Dec 27, 2005
drmiler

I did not say the surtax would completely fund the incentives to develop more efficient cars, SUV's etc or to help develop alternate energy sources. I also said things like resending the $12 Billion in tax cuts to the oil companies and by restoring the tax rates on the wealthy to the pre 2001 levels. That would go a long way to providing the needed money for energy and many other things like moving toward a balanced budget.

If Bush had imposed higher mileage requirements in 2001, we would be seeing the benefits today.
on Dec 27, 2005

So then I guess everyone else is right! You ARE a one trick pony!

As this was not even a Bush issue, you are right!  And he cant even do that with a modicum of inteligence!

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