Slavery - When did it end?

Who kept slave longer?

Published on September 28, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

There is and has been a big brouhaha about the confederate battle Flag (See DrMiler's posts in the forum for a picture). It is supposed to represent slavery. But that is just what the Politically Correct people want you to think. For the truth is anything but. So for the uninitiated, a little Quiz.

1. What state(s) had legalized slavery the latest?

2. What is the CSA (Confederate States of America) flag? Describe it.

3. Under which flag was slavery practiced the longest?

4. Under which American Flag was Slavery practiced the longest?

5. How many people were enslaved under the rule of the Confederate States of America?

6. How many Americans were enslaved Under the united States of America?

7. When did Slavery Officially End in America?

Now, anyone answering these questions, then go to the Essay question.

8. In 50 words or less, explain how the Confederate States of America Flag is on a footing with a nazi Swastika.

This is a challenge to all. I know Dabe cannot answer here, but Dabe, I will respond if you post an article answering these questions on your blog. For the rest, answer as many of these questions as you can. You need not answer them all.

Comments (Page 2)

Dr Guy

on Sep 29, 2005

I've often wondered what role slavery played in the First American Civil War (1775-1783).

You wont win friends and influence Americans by calling it that! But I get your point.

Dr Guy

on Sep 29, 2005

This has led me to wonder: if British public opinion was already so decisively against slavery by the 1780s, then surely that movement would have already been fairly strong in the 1770s. So, amongst the American Founding Fathers so enraged by 'taxation without representation' were there also a number who calculated that, unless they broke away from Britain quickly, the British parliament would take away their slaves? An interesting thought...

I am sure there was some in the south. By the 1770s the north had pretty much abandoned it, but I am sure a few of the Minnute Men used that to convince any fence sitters in the South to join in.

Dr Guy

on Sep 29, 2005

Oh, and Doc, I forgot to say, it's really nice to see you back.

Thanks! And thanks for chiming in. While I was familiar with the English abolition of Slavery, English History from about 1783 to 1865 is lost knowledge in the colonies. We were and are just too egocentric in our teaching of history in the US so that those years, the only things most Americans learn is American history. Your "fill in the blanks" addition is welcome and interesting.

Dr Guy

on Sep 29, 2005

Slavery was one of them. Another one was the willingness to settle on Indian land in Kentucky. I think the latter was a stronger argument.

Agreed. Like the Civil War, each one has a clarion call of the reason for it, when in actual fact, there were many contributing factors. There is no question that Taxation and Slavery were each a principal in their respective wars, but to focus solely on those issues is to be very myopic about the reasons for the conflicts.

Dr Guy

on Sep 29, 2005

The interesting question remains why the British 'tyrants' abolished slavery so much earlier than the nation that broke away from them (although it is only fair to point out that Massachusetts abolished slavery as early as 1783, when the ink was barely dry on the Treaty of Paris).

The answer is simple. Workers. England had the luxury of a large working class, the South did not. While Slavery was not really economical, and would have eventually died due to economics, the South (as shown by you in Washington and Jefferson) could not see how theywould thrive without the enslaved workforce. That they also freed their slaves upon their deaths indicate they could not see the immediate solution, but did see it as inevitable.

Dr Guy

on Sep 29, 2005

The same radical ideas were at work on either side of the ocean, but on one side they got rid of the king but kept their slaves, and on the other they got rid of their slaves, but kept their king.

And 230 years later, they still have a king (Queen), but we dont have slaves.

Chakgogka

on Sep 29, 2005

And 230 years later, they still have a king (Queen), but we dont have slaves.

Good point!

Leauki

on Sep 29, 2005

And 230 years later, they still have a king (Queen), but we dont have slaves.

To compare slavery and monarchy is fallacious. There is, I believe, something morally wrong about slavery. I find no such problem with the concept of monarchy.

trueandfree

on Sep 29, 2005

Great post Doc, I certainly noticed that you were gone. Welcome back! I am still un-clear on the correct answer for #1

Dr Guy

on Oct 12, 2005

To compare slavery and monarchy is fallacious. There is, I believe, something morally wrong about slavery. I find no such problem with the concept of monarchy.

If you followed the dialogue with Chakgogka, we were not really comparing the 2.

Dr Guy

on Oct 12, 2005

Great post Doc, I certainly noticed that you were gone. Welcome back! I am still un-clear on the correct answer for #1

Thank you. The Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves in states in rebellion, hence they confederacy. It was signed into law in January 1863, but did not take effect until the Union reacquired control of said states in the Spring of 1865.

West Virginia and Maryland never were in rebellion, and hence they were allowed to keep their slaves until the 13th amendment was ratified in December 1865.

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