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How to lose control without really trying
Published on May 16, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

As reported by the UBER conservative Boston Globe:

Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Party, said yesterday that the US House majority leader, Tom DeLay, ''ought to go back to Houston where he can serve his jail sentence," referring to allegations of unethical conduct against the Republican leader.

Dean's remark, in a speech to Massachusetts Democrats at their party convention, drew an immediate rebuke from US Representative Barney Frank, the Newton Democrat and one of DeLay's harshest critics. ''That's just wrong," Frank said in an interview on the convention floor. ''I think Howard Dean was out of line talking about DeLay. The man has not been indicted. I don't like him, I disagree with some of what he does, but I don't think you, in a political speech, talk about a man as a criminal or his jail sentence."

DeLay faces accusations he may have violated House rules by taking foreign trips paid for by lobbyists. In a separate case, a Texas grand jury indicted three fund-raisers with ties to DeLay on accusations of campaign-finance irregularities.

Now Howard Dean wants to be not only the President, but judge jury and executioner as well!  I thought there was a little thing in this country called 'Innocent until proven guilty'?  Guess not for the screamer of the DNC!

But you know you have gone too far when Barney Frank (who last agreed with a conservative when the doctor smacked him on the butt) has to chastise you!  But that is not the best part.  For in the very same speech, right after trying, judging and condeming an innocent man, he complained about  the following:

"this ugly, nasty dialogue that is coming from the right wing of the American Republican Party."

Ummmm, hey howie.  Those 3 fingers are pointed back at you!

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on May 16, 2005
we can only hope the democraps keep sticking the foot in there own mouths.
on May 16, 2005

we can only hope the democraps keep sticking the foot in there own mouths.

The New England journal of Medicine has recently diagnosed a new malady.  Trench Tongue!  It seems to be rampant in the liberal leadership!

on May 16, 2005
How he was elected chairman I still don't know. You would think democrats would have learned by now.
on May 16, 2005

How he was elected chairman I still don't know. You would think democrats would have learned by now.

HOw was easy.  He symbolizes their hate for W.  That is not to say he should have been, but when your only agenda is hate, then of course you are going to elect the craziest one among you.

on May 16, 2005
HOw was easy. He symbolizes their hate for W. That is not to say he should have been, but when your only agenda is hate, then of course you are going to elect the craziest one among you.


I bet they think they will start winning elections because of him.
on May 16, 2005

I bet they think they will start winning elections because of him.

Some actually do!  If you remember in 01, Gilmore was the RNC chair, and the Republicans lost 2 governor races.  And he was gone.  The Democrats have lost everything except the 96 presidential and never got rid of MacAuliff.  So I doubt they would get rid of dean even if they do lose.

on May 16, 2005
I wonder how the dems would react if we started calling dean, the best weapon the republican have. hashahahahahahahahaha
on May 16, 2005

I wonder how the dems would react if we started calling dean, the best weapon the republican have. hashahahahahahahahaha

They would just call you a fascist racist sexist bigot neo-con. About normal.

on May 16, 2005
It certainly wasn't classy of Dean to say what he did, but with Patriot Act, who cares about good old-fashioned "civil rights" and "due process" anyway? Apparently only when it's convenient to protect one's own do we finally stand up for constitutional "concessions".

I'm guessing that if the shoe was on the foot, Republicans would say their guy was only calling a spade a spade.
on May 16, 2005
It certainly wasn't classy of Dean to say what he did, but with Patriot Act, who cares about good old-fashioned "civil rights" and "due process" anyway? Apparently only when it's convenient to protect one's own do we finally stand up for constitutional "concessions".

I'm guessing that if the shoe was on the other foot, Republicans would say their guy was only calling a spade a spade.
on May 18, 2005

I'm guessing that if the shoe was on the foot, Republicans would say their guy was only calling a spade a spade.

I am guessing not.  Especially since some of the most liberal members of his own party repudiated him.  His statements have nothing to do with the patriot act, and neither does this article.  You are on the wrong plane.

on May 18, 2005
It certainly wasn't classy of Dean to say what he did, but with Patriot Act, who cares about good old-fashioned "civil rights" and "due process" anyway? Apparently only when it's convenient to protect one's own do we finally stand up for constitutional "concessions".


Interesting since nobody has lost their civil rights.
on May 18, 2005
Interesting since nobody has lost their civil rights.


And a quick scan of this web page shows that the first mention was by Deference.
on May 18, 2005
Apparently I must be extremely explicit when speaking, I could have sworn both of you gentlemen were quick enough to catch the connections but now I must baby talk you both through this cognitive obstacle course.

Ahem...

It certainly wasn't classy of Dean to say what he did, but with Patriot Act, who cares about good old-fashioned "civil rights" and "due process" anyway? Apparently only when it's convenient to protect one's own do we finally stand up for constitutional "concessions".

Okay the statement in question, above, was in regards to Dean's statement,

"[Tom DeLay], ought to go back to Houston where he can serve his jail sentence,"

and Dr. Guy's own remark within the article,

I thought there was a little thing in this country called 'Innocent until proven guilty'?

So I agreed with you, Dr. Dumbass, but still made the observation that under today's laws that have been passed by the very people that passed them there remains questions about due process and "innocent until proven guilty" - problems Delay himself should have addressed and debated when it came to Patriot Act.


Interesting since nobody has lost their civil rights.
- Island Dog

I'm not quite sure if you are speaking about this matter ( in which case, no ) or about civil rights and Patriot Act ( in which case, yes, your fourth amendment right is now moot ). Please clarify.
on May 18, 2005

So I agreed with you, Dr. Dumbass, but still made the observation that under today's laws that have been passed by the very people that passed them there remains questions about due process and "innocent until proven guilty" - problems Delay himself should have addressed and debated when it came to Patriot Act.

Ohh!  Goody!  A ***** resorting to name calling, and me on my blog!  Hmmm, should I black list him?  Nah!  Should I delete the post?  Nah!  Let everyone read itis!

******!  The Patriot act does not apply here, nor does it deprive anyone of due process.  Go back and read it again.  *****deleted*****.

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