Ever since the government started eroading a parents right to "deal" with there children, there has been a moral decay
of our children, Now when you go to discipline your child {not kick the shiot out of} you have to worry about, the child getting mad and calling police, some liberal social service putz sticking there nose in your buisness, maybe taking your kid away, A child right out lieing to the law, and on and on, this is what we get when government dictates how we can raise our kids.

Yeah, These things are true. I especially agree with Moderateman in post # 16. I know what I said earlier, and I was in a particularly defensive mood at that time... But I stand by what I said. These are all good points, and I'm sure the calling the cops was to protect themselves. But the reality is (on reflection) there is no way to know what, exactly, the situation was. I really think the mother should be closely looked at here. I mean, if this child has a disorder, shouldn't the parents have questioned the childs behavior at home? I don't think the school was too far outta line here. Sure they took rather EXTREME measures. But in reality, (this comes from experience) some children can get REALLY outta control! But seriously, aren't these educators supposed to be educated better about how to deal with these situations? Or is this how they ARE taught to deal with them?

Sorry about the rant, I'm just thinkin out loud here. But I really do think so

Btw... Yeah, I agree about the government "over control" issue. Everyone is sooo worried about how people deal with their kids. All they are really accomplishing is putting good parents in the same category as physical abusers. They (lawmakers) need to get a grip, and try a little harder to find out the truth. I mean, come up with laws that don't keep parents from raising their kids. BUT. Also protect children from abusive parents, etc with everything they can muster. (Impossible demand huh?) After all... WHO'S kids ARE they anyhow?

I am a teacher and a parent of a kindergartener. I think that the teachers and the principle should have handled this situation. If you have the skills a training you should have to be an early childhood educator, the teacher could have handled it or even prevented it.

The girl is only 5 years old. 5 year olds are not rational adults that is why they are called children. Why would you think this is a case where a parent should lose custody of their child. A child needs a parent not the government deciding whats best for them in situations like this. If the state did think this is a good case to take away a child, which they would not, she would really grow up in a harmful situation. If the school would have called her parent instead of the police I am sure the mother wouldn't have felt "set up". Just remember, THE GIRL IS 5 YEARS OLD and try to stay of the SLIPPERY SLOPE.

Regarding your comments about the handcuffed 5 year old school student, I believe that you should change the name of this site to: A whiff Of Halitosis.

I guess some of you don't realize how much damage a 5 yr old can do when they are mad. My former friends 5 yr old could drop an adult, and a 5 yr old can be hard to restrain when in the throwns of a full blown tantrum. The police ankle cuffing and using plastic hand restraints may have been nessicary, we weren't there, we don't know. But how else would you restrain her? hold her and pray you don't get sued or get your nose broken because she headbutted you in the face? Obviously she wouldn't have just sat in a chair while they called her parents. And she could have really hurt a classmate, then the school would have been sued for not doing enough to protect the other 5 yr olds.

The mom needs to worry more about getting her child the help she needs to learn to control her behaver, and not enable her by giving in and blaming others. If it was one of my daughters, I would start family counceling ASAP to get to the root of the behavior before it escolated. There would be noone to blame but myself.

(and yes, I know I can't spell)

Dr Guy has gone a little over the top here with is conclusions and made more than a few assumptions on no evidence at all. Obviously he doesn't have much experience with six year old's either.

I think the mother's reaction is natural and to be expected. She wasn't there to witness the episode, how can she just assume the faculty didn't over react out of anger? The city police shouldn't have been called, there are campus police for that whom are specially trained to handle children. -and finally, when the (real) police to arrest a child, anyone's child, don't you think it would be quite irresponsible if the parents didn't consult a lawer?

Here are to other links to this story. It sounds like more than one incident and that the teachers had tried other tactics prior to calling the police.


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This is the video that the attorney released:

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I'm going to jump the gun here and start writing my new TV drama, "Diapers in the Pen", about an unruly group of kidnergartners who get sent up to Rikers for life.

We need to jail those five year olds...teach em a lesson.

I'm seriously rolling my eyes here (although, I agree, reactions such as the mother's have a good deal to do with why our society has gotten so SERIOUSLY out of whack!)

Dr. Guy, It seems to me that you are a Racist Asshole! I have work inthe school systrem for 15yrs and there's no reason at all you should ever handcuff a 5yr old period. If that was your child that was treated in a manner such as this, I'm sure all hell would brewak loose. Selah!

As a new teacher I was told, "never break up a fight, you might accidentally hurt one of the students and risk being sued." I was told so many things that went against common sense, just so I wouldn't be sued. It's is so absurd how the liability issue (fueled by irresponsible people, looking to negate their responsibilty) has overshadowed to responsiblity issue. It's rare today to experience a parent who:
1)takes responsibilty for their actions (or lack of actions in many cases) and
2) who insists their child take responsiblity for their own actions.
This is an epidemic. When will babies stop having babies? When will parents be required to pass classes in parenting to receive a liscence to have kids? Why do we require a drivers license to drive, but no requirments/lisencure to have kids? Which is potentially more dangerous? Without proper training, they both can have dangerous and deadly outcomes. I see it all the time; uneducated, irresponsible people having/raising kids (I use "raising" very loosley). Accountability for each individual is not being taught by our nations actions on so many levels; from irresponsible parents and children, to our legal systems tolerance and participation in the support of these types of actions, all the way up to our nations leader (I use "leader" very loosley) who insisted we begin a war based on the presence of WMD's, with no apology to the US people (of which almost half didn't support his actions to begin with) after the big "oops, i guess there aren't WMD."
Taking responsibility, to me, means acknowlegment of ones errors, doing the very best one can to correct the error, and using the error as insight for future actions (learning from our mistakes).
A commitment to education and responsibility is needed. "With freedom comes responsibility", has most of America forgotten this?

how can people treat a 5 year old this way if i was har mother i would sue. but thinking about this if the child was white they wouldnt think of calling the police

if u had children you would understand

"Tonight on COPS...when kindergartners go bad. Just when you though nap time was safe, a kid freaks out from too many graham crackers and gets busted."

*sigh* The things children do. I don't see whay people are against handcuffing a 5yr old. Children don't deserve a break if they break the law...just because they're small and weak. If that was a highschooler that could do some serious damage no one would object. You've got to teach kids a lesson when they're young. It shows them what will happen when you fuck up. If they didn't correct the behavior what makes you think that it won't happen again and again.

~Zoo