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Lessons Unlearned
Published on February 8, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

Over the past month, a heated debate has sprung up on JU.  Basically conservatives have been kindly giving advice to liberals on the direction of the democrat party.  Why would they do such a thing?

I can think of 2 reasons.  One is that they felt sorry for a party that was imploding on its own pettiness and wanted to see if come back as the party of JFK and LBJ. That is the altruistic reason.

The other is that conservatives and especially Republicans knew the advice would not be taken and indeed the democrats would do just the opposite.  That is the cynical reason.

Regardless of the reason for the advice, explanation number 2 has proven to be the one that was followed by the democrats. Having lost everything in the last 10 years (except one presidency, but that one was by less than 50%), they refuse to acknowledge that perhaps they need to re-evalutate their message and come up with a new one that plays to more than just the kook fringe that has no where else to go anyway.

But instead, they are now set to select Howard Dean as the new chair of the DNC.  I know many will celebrate this and indeed I see some of the looniest even taunting the Republicans with a "take that you stuffed shirts" attitude.  But in the end, picking a person from the fringe left of the already leftward leaning party will do nothing to help the party.  Indeed, with the exception of the ultra liberal North East, They have just handed every republican, from Moderate to conservative, a perfect poster boy for the next elections.  The Dean Scream will be heard many times in the next 4 years, but not from Democrats.

Knowing that they just lost the the presidency to an unpopular president, knowing they also lost seats in the house and senate, knowing they have been losing seats in State assemblies and governorships by running on the far left, do they finally realize maybe they have to moderate their message?

Nope.  They just figure they have to run farther left. I wonder if Lieberman is open to joining the Libertarians.  We need a viable second party.


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on Feb 09, 2005
Dean supports:


Don't forget he has the support of the NRA
on Feb 09, 2005
Dean supports:


Don't forget he has the support of the NRA


Sorry but he was NEVER supported by the NRA for president. Only as VT govenor.
on Feb 09, 2005
People can say anything they want about what being a Democrat means to them. Of course, all have a right to their party and reasons for membership in it. I say, any group can be defined by those who emerge as leaders and spokespeople for the group.

Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton have emerged as those leaders in the Democrat party. Accept or reject their words, actions and rhetoric if you want, but they do define the Democrat party of today. The fact that Hillary Clinton is the most moderate of the bunch should be all anyone needs to know. For the Democrat party of today the rule of thumb is, "Moderates need not apply".
on Feb 09, 2005

Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton have emerged as those leaders in the Democrat party. Accept or reject their words, actions and rhetoric if you want, but they do define the Democrat party of today. The fact that Hillary Clinton is the most moderate of the bunch should be all anyone needs to know. For the Democrat party of today the rule of thumb is, "Moderates need not apply".

SO very true.  Yet they will ignor you or trash you since you are not one of them.  They only listen to their own, and in that, they will never change.

on Feb 09, 2005
First off...Dr. Guy...congrads on a really fine article...secondly....to all those on the dem party side...congrads on putting Dean in the DNC party chair, just one thing before you run off and celebrate....when the dem party essentially caves in 2006 & 2008 from putting such far-left leaning politician in the party chair....we want no crying...not bitching you were "robbed", no insults period...

Conservatives of course will be dancin' in the streets all the way to the elections.....thank you again.

P.S. with the extent the dem party has taken to the far left, is it not conceivable that they will continue swinging further and further to the left eventially finding themselves to the right...(just a comical thought)

The 45 million is a trumped up number. It includes transition people (people moving from one job to another) and those who opt to maximize income as they do not have health problems at that time. The true number is about 8 million. Out of almost 300m, that is not an big number.


That number also includes illegal aliens which current statistics put in the range of 35% to as high as 50% of that number.
on Feb 09, 2005
I'm ecstatic. The demise of liberalism is imminent. Let's all praise Dean's new leadership.
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