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Just for you, a litmus test.
Published on December 31, 2004 By Dr Guy In Politics

One of the most notable differences between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives are willing to call themselves conservatives. Talk radio hosts such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity willingly, even eagerly, proclaim their conservatism.

Liberals in the mainstream media, by contrast, have spent 40 years denying their obvious tilt toward the left. Even outside the media, liberals resist the label, making recognition of liberals more difficult.

As a public service, and with apologies to Jeff Foxworthy, here are the early warning signs that reveal if you, or someone you care about, just might be a liberal.

You might be a liberal if …

You think that if someone is getting richer, someone, somewhere, must be getting poorer.

You think that protestors outside nuclear power plants are dedicated activists, but protestors outside abortion clinics are dangerous zealots interfering with a legal activity.

You believe that more federal regulations will make your life better.

You believe that even though the top 20 percent of taxpayers pay 80 percent of income taxes, that the rich are not paying their “fair share.”

You think that Rush Limbaugh’s listeners are mindless “dittoheads,” but you have never doubted anything that you heard from Michael Moore.

You believe in global warming today just as firmly as you believed in global cooling back in the 1970s.

You believe that the network news is a better indicator of what “real” news is than talk radio, Internet news sites, and blogs.

You believe that there was never, ever a problem with biased news coverage until Fox News went on the air.

You believe that Mikhail Gorbachev deserves more credit for losing the Cold War than Ronald Reagan deserves for winning it.

Your parents gave you an acre of preserved rain forest for your first birthday.

You cannot name a single NASCAR driver.

You mentally subtract 100 points from someone’s IQ if the person speaks with a Southern accent.

You think that Dan Rather got a raw deal.

You panic if you discover that you’re out of chick peas.

You think that the phrase “separation of church and state” is in the Constitution.

You pride yourself on your global awareness, global sensitivity and global outlook, but can’t name your state legislator or school board representative.

You are dedicated to helping the poor, the downtrodden and the less fortunate, but you have never given blood.

You have not seen "The Passion of the Christ," and you don’t know anyone who has seen it.

You believe that a woman should make it on her own, without depending on her husband (except for Hillary Clinton).

You believe that professional, working women should never be judged on their appearance (except for Katherine Harris).

You believe that rich people should not be allowed to contribute so much money to candidates for office (except for George Soros).

You believe that government should make a special effort to hire members of traditionally oppressed groups, such as African-Americans (except for Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice).

You feel a deep sense of common cause with oppressed groups, such as Hispanic immigrants (except for Cuban Americans fleeing Castro).

You believe that a mother’s wishes for her child, especially a mother’s last, dying wish for her child, should outweigh the wishes of a father who had long before deserted his family (unless the child is named Elian Gonzalez).

You think people in south Florida, who can’t figure out how to work a butterfly ballot, ought to have the final say in choosing the president of the United States.

You have no problem with Hollywood movie starts flying around in private jets to give speeches on the evils of SUVs.

You think that raising taxes will reduce the budget deficit.

You deplore prejudice and bigotry in all its forms, but think that everyone in the “red states” is an idiot.

You are more concerned, more often, with the rights of convicted felons than you are with the rights of small business owners.

You uphold a woman’s right to choose, unless a woman chooses adoption, chooses to be a stay-at-home mom, chooses to homeschool, or chooses to start a business.

You are more concerned with Vice President Cheney’s links to Halliburton than with Saddam Hussein’s links to international terrorism.

You have used the phrase, “in Europe, the government pays for health care and vacation,” without irony.

You are worried about how the French view Americans.

You believe that nativity scenes should be banned from public view, but that anyone objecting to pornography “only has to look the other way.”

And finally, you are almost certainly a liberal if you refuse to admit that you’re a liberal, and accuse anyone of calling you a liberal of McCarthyism.

 Courtesy of Ed Lynch, Columnist and Professor.


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on Dec 31, 2004
Since the thread was so clearly addressed to me, I had to drop in and read.

Your test did not do well identifying me -- although I truly do not know any NASCAR drivers, and suspect that Dan Rather did get a bad deal. As the doctors say, I think this test produced a false negative.

Maybe I should beg partial credit for agreeing with some of those statements followed by (except for _____ ) assuming that it be changed to (including _____ ).

But the accuracy of your test aside, I wish you and yours the Happiest of New Years.


ROFL! Ok, we will accept the 'except for' or 'including'! Have a Great new Year!

p.s. It was not mine. He is a columnist in the Roanoke Times in Va. I jus thought it funny!
on Dec 31, 2004

I have a list of liberals and liberal sympathizers...

Ooohh! can we Start a Senate Investigation? !

on Dec 31, 2004
Different perspectives, different results! No one can make you ashamed of who you are except yourself.


No one in the Democratic party is ashamed. However if you get called something enough, people tend to believe it. Its not how we perceive ourselves, its how we've been perceived that is damaging. That's what labels are for.
on Dec 31, 2004
Reply #15 By: Dr. Guy - 12/31/2004 3:25:31 PM
Whenever Reagan said the word liberal, you could tell he was one step away from losing his l


Funny, whenever Reagan said a word, it looked like Liberals were one step away from a massive coronary or stroke!

Different perspectives, different results! No one can make you ashamed of who you are except yourself.


Hang tough Doc. As bastion's of conservative thinking ( ) it's up to us to get the word out.
on Dec 31, 2004
No one in the Democratic party is ashamed. However if you get called something enough, people tend to believe it. Its not how we perceive ourselves, its how we've been perceived that is damaging. That's what labels are for.


No, you are wrong. If you are a liberal, proclaim it! No one calls a liberal a dirty word other than some conservatives. So if you are going to be defined by what others think, then you have no base. You either are or are not. If you are, why do you care what conservatives call you? It is not a swear word. It is a label, just like Conservative is a label.

The only reason you have to hide the label is if it drives people off, and you are afraid of offending them. In which case you are afraid your own views are not mainstream and you cannot win with them.

Run on who you are., not on what you want people to think you are. The former is noble and we can disagree. The latter is a lie, and we cannot have a discussion as you will not discuss, only hide.
on Dec 31, 2004
I hate the American use of the word liberal because it's so wrong - most of the things on your list are signs of socialism, and most of the conservative mantra is based on liberal philosophy. So to call myself a liberal would be to ignore my education and my views in order to satisfy the perversions of foreigners who are afraid of socialism.

Regardless, happy new year Doc.
on Dec 31, 2004

I hate the American use of the word liberal because it's so wrong - most of the things on your list are signs of socialism, and most of the conservative mantra is based on liberal philosophy. So to call myself a liberal would be to ignore my education and my views in order to satisfy the perversions of foreigners who are afraid of socialism.


Ok, Well, happy New Year!  Guess you are a year ahead of us now!


But more to the point, are you a socialist?  Or just a liberal conservative (american terms, sorry, dont know the Aussie ones)?

on Dec 31, 2004

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Well you can see the mindset of Democrats by who they run for President and Vice President.

Vice President John Edwards famously gave hypothetical testimony from a fetus during a Cerebral Palsy trial:

"She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out.'" [...]

"She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

John Edwards also supports partial birth abortion.  One has to wonder if he can "channel" those babies too.

on Dec 31, 2004

John Edwards also supports partial birth abortion. One has to wonder if he can "channel" those babies too.


How much did they pay him?

on Dec 31, 2004
But more to the point, are you a socialist? Or just a liberal conservative (american terms, sorry, dont know the Aussie ones)?


I guess I'm more a welfare liberal with authoritarian leanings - I think most modern democracies are anything but democratic (which is good), but I firmly believe that people should both have 'rights' and that society as a whole has a responsibility to look after its weakest. And as private society and social capital continues to decline, that role must be increasingly taken up by elected governments, whether they like it or not.

Economically I'm too much of a fan of the fripperies of the capitalist system to want to do away with it, but I prefer the Keynesian approach to economic management over what I consider an irresponsible neoliberal approach.

So realistically I'm more a conservative of the likes of Bismarck than a Commie like Marx, but I do have considerable respect for liberal ideas like human rights (not least because brutality is too inefficient).
on Dec 31, 2004

I guess I'm more a welfare liberal with authoritarian leanings - I think most modern democracies are anything but democratic (which is good), but I firmly believe that people should both have 'rights' and that society as a whole has a responsibility to look after its weakest. And as private society and social capital continues to decline, that role must be increasingly taken up by elected governments, whether they like it or not.

Economically I'm too much of a fan of the fripperies of the capitalist system to want to do away with it, but I prefer the Keynesian approach to economic management over what I consider an irresponsible neoliberal approach.

So realistically I'm more a conservative of the likes of Bismarck than a Commie like Marx, but I do have considerable respect for liberal ideas like human rights (not least because brutality is too inefficient).


Ouch!  Ok, on the first paragraph, I tend to agree.  But (or with) the ideal that there is nothing really better!  And yes, we need to look after our weakest, but I think that we, not government are best suited to do so.  Government only begets dependance.  Society begets people willing to get out of the poverty cycle and help those who fall in.


On the second paragraph, Double Ouch!  I am a Monetarist!  Econ by degree and education.  I think Keynes was a total nut case.  No, that is wrong.  He was well meaning, but just plain wrong. Keynsian taken to an extreme means goverments can 'spend their way out of recession'.  It just cannot and does not happen.


Third, that really makes you a conservative, but with just right of center.  No Bible thumper, but a responsible conservative.


Interesting how politics dont span oceans.  At least not as labels.

on Dec 31, 2004
This is quite a funny article, even if some of it is pretty inaccurate. If not admitting to being a liberal makes you a liberal, what does it mean that I have a username that labels me a socialist?

I concur with cactoblasta's objection to the term 'liberal'. I use labels like right/left, liberal/conservative a bit because as Andrew Bartlett says, it is useful shorthand but usually fairly useless. They don't really tell you anything real, they just allow you to categorise someone according to your prejudices.
There is an excellent article called Rethinking Left and Right at http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/07/1091732135091.html?oneclick=true
"Once the socialists and the Left were the radicals wanting rapid social change, but now the visionaries who want to overturn the established order are the neo-liberals. Setting in place market mechanisms in almost every aspect of life leads to a society being constantly transformed. The more far sighted conservatives are beginning to see that free markets corrode old values and the social fabric, as well as economic monopolies...It is in conflict not only with the Left but with the philosophical conservatives, who base themselves on a moral order that increasingly clashes with the New Capitalism."

These are some of my favourite contradictions within the rhetoric about two polarised opposites:
1. When Federation began in Australia we had the Free Trade Party Vs the Protectionists. The Protectionists were considered the conservatives. Then the Labor Party got into power and in order to defeat them, the Free Trade Party joined with the Protectionists!!!! After 100 years of protectionism being supported by both sides, we now have a neo-con PM who is signing free trade agreements left, right and centre, if you'll forgive the expression.
2. The infamously racist Pauline Hanson who basically supports a return to the White Australia Policy is opposed to Howard's plan to sell off the Government's telecommunications company.
3. Many communists believe socialists are their biggest enemies because far right capitalism will eventually self-destruct, so they eat at Maccas and support major companies.
4. It is the neo-cons of today who advocate "progress" and they want it thick and fast, yet it is many in the Green movement who advocate a more conservative approach, to maintain many of our current values and to listen to the wisdom of the past.
5. And what of feminists who hate cultures like the Muslims for being anti-woman in their eyes? Or secularists who love Muslims but hate Christians?
6. And my favourite contradiction has always been Plato. He advocated homosexuality on the basis of chauvinism. He believed women were incapable of holding decent conversation because they were too stupid, so you should actually love men. Is that left or right?

"You believe that more federal regulations will make your life better."
Both sides believe this, we just believe in different regulations.
"you have never doubted anything that you heard from Michael Moore."
I agree with and like a lot of Michael Moore's statements, but I always criticially analyse anything I read and realise that he is prone to hyperbole and guilty of omitting facts as much as any journalist.
"You believe in global warming today just as firmly as you believed in global cooling back in the 1970s.
I know a damn lot of conservatives(in the sense you usually use it) who believe in global warming. I wasn't alive in the 70s to believe in global cooling.
"You believe that the network news is a better indicator of what “real” news is than talk radio, Internet news sites, and blogs."
As someone who maintains a blog, calls in to talkback, and has a degree in journalism, I can say with authority that network news is considerably more reliable and real than these other formats.
"You deplore prejudice and bigotry in all its forms, but think that everyone in the “red states” is an idiot."
It is perhaps the most frustrating thing in the world when I come across fellow lefties who are bigots. Last night a few of us guys got right up some feminists who were justifying their anti-Muslim, anti-wog prejudice on the basis of feminism. This is unacceptable. So is anti-Americanism. I consider myself a feminist, but unlike many femos I do not feel the need to balance it out with alternative racisms. And anti-Christianityness is also unaccpetable. We have to love the sinner, hate the sin.
"You uphold a woman’s right to choose, unless a woman chooses adoption, chooses to be a stay-at-home mom, chooses to homeschool, or chooses to start a business. "
I'm not sure why this was in. I thought I was supposed to be a big supporter of all of these. Guess I'd better change my stance.
on Dec 31, 2004

Champas, Maybe it is just english speaking countries, but hey!  We are as crazy!


Dont Object, just laugh.  There are ones for american conservatives as well!


In the end, thinking people, right or left, do not fit into the stereotypes.  But thanks for the history of Down under!  Now I have to do some research and show you we are just as goofy!


Goofy is ok, right?

on Dec 31, 2004
You think that if someone is getting richer, someone, somewhere, must be getting poorer.


acutally that is a logical certainty. does the money come from nowhere?

You think that protestors outside nuclear power plants are dedicated activists, but protestors outside abortion clinics are dangerous zealots interfering with a legal activity.



The nuclear protestors, to my knowlege, have never tried to blow up a nuclear plant. The same cannot be said for abortion protestors. But I'm for nuclear power and have a plant about 10 miles from my house.

You believe that even though the top 20 percent of taxpayers pay 80 percent of income taxes, that the rich are not paying their “fair share.”


Do you know what % of wealth the top 20 % control?

You think that Rush Limbaugh’s listeners are mindless “dittoheads,” but you have never doubted anything that you heard from Michael Moore.


I've never seen a single Moore movie, unless its Roger Moore (but I prefer Connery).

You cannot name a single NASCAR driver


I can name quite a few, but I don't think I could name a single member of the US men's world cup soccer team.

You have not seen "The Passion of the Christ," and you don’t know anyone who has seen it.


I haven't seen it because I don't care to see a man tortured to death, especially my savior. But if I had I time machine, the first place I would visit would be the crucifixion to see if I could soothe him in his final hours.

You are more concerned with Vice President Cheney’s links to Halliburton than with Saddam Hussein’s links to international terrorism.


So you're one of the 75% of Bush supporters that still think Saddam had ties to 9/11 despite that being debunked by the 9/11 committee.

And finally, you are almost certainly a liberal if you refuse to admit that you’re a liberal, and accuse anyone of calling you a liberal of McCarthyism.



Anyone who wants to call me a liberal does not do so because they want to outline my positive aspects. They are trying to label me for someone I am not. I am a Democrat who believes in the death penalty, wants to ween Americans off social security, and hate political correctness. If I call you a conservative, I'm not wondering how many abortion clinics you've blown up, how you get in the basement with all those AK-47s blocking the way, or believe that you want to bring back the inquisition. But those who want to use the liberal label want people to think that I would tear down a factory to save a single flower, have a picture of Marx on my wall, hate America with a passion and want to ban the bible. I am proud to be an American and proud to be an Iowan and proud to be a Democrat. I would never run away from who I am. But if someone wants to attach a negative label on me, why should I accept it?
on Jan 01, 2005
do not know any NASCAR drivers


I'm liberal; and I know NASCAR drivers; Jeff Gorden, Dale Earnhart Jr., Dale Jarret, Kurt Busch, etc. etc.

quote]You think people in south Florida, who can’t figure out how to work a butterfly ballot, ought to have the final say in choosing the president of the United States
Not only do I not believe it, but I have a Fl. 2000 sample ballot and it was confusing and hard- good-damn it!

You are worried about how the French view Americans

I really don't give a sh*t what some damn French bastards view me!

chick peas

What the hell is a chick pea?
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