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So much for the Nay Sayers
Published on December 15, 2010 By Dr Guy In Politics

One of the arguments advanced by the left about homosexual marriage is that the government should not be legislating sex between consenting adults.  A counter to that is "what about incest" or even polygamy, beastiality, etc.  They have "poo-pooed" those objections as being extremist and stupid and diverting the discussion.

Unfortunately for them, their own words are their doom.  For now we have David Epstein - a loony loopy Luddite liberal - from columbia university that has decided incest is best!  He has carried on a 4 year affair with his daughter!

My revulsion for this sick demented twisted idiot knows no bounds!  As a father to 2 girls, the revulsion I feel for this man is beyond words.  As much as I hate and detest pedophilia (his daughter was of legal age - this is a sidebar), I find incest to be as equally if not more abhorrent.  Yet the liberal "brains filled with mush" idiots at columbia are defending this pervert!  How?  "Sex between consenting adults should be allowed".

So the next time some loony loopy Luddite leftist tries to derail a debate with the sad, tired, and false line of "it will not happen for animals, daughters, or menageries - one has only to point to the Liberal idiots of Columbia to show that - yes it will.

It all goes to show that you still do not need a brain to be a liberal.  Indeed, lobotomies seem to be an asset to being a liberal.


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on Dec 15, 2010

I saw this story and I'm glad you brought it to our attention by way of this article.

Yet the liberal "brains filled with mush" idiots at columbia are defending this pervert! How? "Sex between consenting adults should be allowed".

"How" you ask. or why? Because the sexual revolution is being orchestrated in a cultural campaign run by the "anything goes" crowd. It all began in 1972 in an attempt to "normalize" homosexuality and other deviant sexual behaviors.

 

 

 

 

on Dec 17, 2010

wincest is only cool in pron fantasies and dog breeding. in the human case, the social consensus matches the biological one.

however, if they don't breed, no harm is done. still doesn't seem right.

on Dec 17, 2010

however, if they don't breed, no harm is done. still doesn't seem right.

I can understand some taking that out - perhaps in the case of first cousins.  However in the case of parents and children, there is more going on than sex.  It is clearly rape by the parent since he basically raised the child and was (and probably still is) the authority figure.  Besides having the biological implications, just that is enough to sicken most people, especially women.

The man should be castrated - period.  And then sent to jail to explain his situation to the other felons.

on Dec 17, 2010

There is no way he waited until she old enough to "consent."  That's just wrong...on so many levels.

 

on Dec 17, 2010

well, i suppose the state could choose to ignore the wishes of the people involved and start arresting and interrogating them to get at the truth.

however, if it's indeed consensual and they started humping at the right time ... no crime. or a victimless crime, in case someone digs out some law to nail them. besides, getting dragged out in the open is terrible enough in a country without privacy protection laws.

on Dec 17, 2010

 

well, i suppose the state could choose to ignore the wishes of the people involved and start arresting and interrogating them to get at the truth.

Well, for right now I'm curious what (if anything) was Columbia U. reaction to finding out they have an incestuous David Epstein on board.  

 

on Dec 17, 2010

if they don't breed, no harm is done.

however, if it's indeed consensual and they started humping at the right time ... no crime. or a victimless crime, in case someone digs out some law to nail them.

Maybe as far as actual laws, there is no crime, but there is much harm done.

It is undeniable and absolutely wrong and much harm done when a father and his adult daughter consent to a sexual relationship.  

well, i suppose the state could choose to ignore the wishes of the people involved and start arresting and interrogating them to get at the truth.

Who said consent makes something moral? Remember the mass suicide at Jonestown? Was it simply a matter of consenting adults? My point is we can't universally say that whatever consenting adults do is OK. Some things are objectively wrong whether adults consent to them or not.  

 

 

 

on Dec 18, 2010

lulapilgrim
if they don't breed, no harm is done. 

however, if it's indeed consensual and they started humping at the right time ... no crime. or a victimless crime, in case someone digs out some law to nail them.
Maybe as far as actual laws, there is no crime, but there is much harm done.

It is undeniable and absolutely wrong and much harm done when a father and his adult daughter consent to a sexual relationship.

Josefine Mutzenbacher might disagree, but it does go against our cultural standards.

What IS the 'much harm done' to anyone in an incestuous consensual relationship anyway, apart from the social scorn that might ensue?

Anyway, there's a biological reason that incest is not acceptable, so insisting on 'undeniably much harm being  done' is moot. It's illegal anyway.


lulapilgrim

well, i suppose the state could choose to ignore the wishes of the people involved and start arresting and interrogating them to get at the truth.

Who said consent makes something moral? Remember the mass suicide at Jonestown? Was it simply a matter of consenting adults? My point is we can't universally say that whatever consenting adults do is OK. Some things are objectively wrong whether adults consent to them or not.  
 

That IS actually a very good point. Sometimes the freedom of the individual has to take second place, if only for their own good.

And besides, who knows if daddy didn't brainwash his daughter into believing it was consensual? parents can do that, given enough time and - ahem - love.

 

this whole story kinda reminds me of the Clarissa comics from DeepFried:

on Dec 20, 2010

Tova7
There is no way he waited until she old enough to "consent."  That's just wrong...on so many levels.

Being who he is - he may have, but then he still broke a law, so I suspect you may be right.

heil_stardock
well, i suppose the state could choose to ignore the wishes of the people involved and start arresting and interrogating them to get at the truth.

however, if it's indeed consensual and they started humping at the right time ... no crime. or a victimless crime, in case someone digs out some law to nail them. besides, getting dragged out in the open is terrible enough in a country without privacy protection laws.

You apparently did not read anything written here, and have no children. 

There was no gestapo involved - remember?  Obamination is in charge and if a black is not being victimized, no crime is being committed.

on Dec 20, 2010

lulapilgrim
 


well, i suppose the state could choose to ignore the wishes of the people involved and start arresting and interrogating them to get at the truth.
Well, for right now I'm curious what (if anything) was Columbia U. reaction to finding out they have an incestuous David Epstein on board.  

 

I am not at all interested in Columbia's thoughts.  But I find it somewhat satisfying to see the fears of many laid bare by the naked (no pun intended) support for a truly heinous crime.  And it is being demonstrated here by the idiot that keeps saying "No harm, no foul".

lulapilgrim
It is undeniable and absolutely wrong and much harm done when a father and his adult daughter consent to a sexual relationship.

There are 2 kinds of people that jump up in this type of situation and claim no harm, no foul - pedophiles and supports of them (that will be next for the no harm, no foul group) and Idiots that are liberals (in other words, they do not have to think).

on Dec 20, 2010

What IS the 'much harm done' to anyone in an incestuous consensual relationship anyway, apart from the social scorn that might ensue?

That proves you do not read.  that question was already answered above.  Try reading - I know it is hard for someone who only gets their information from talking points - but you may find it enlightening.

 

on Dec 20, 2010

What IS the 'much harm done' to anyone in an incestuous consensual relationship anyway, apart from the social scorn that might ensue?

Anyway, there's a biological reason that incest is not acceptable, so insisting on 'undeniably much harm being done' is moot. It's illegal anyway.

Let's be clear. Incest is a morally vile act. Incestuous acts are wrong regardless  of the issue of consent becasue not every act can be reduced to the level of preference.

In other words there are some issue that are objectivly right or wrong. Incest is objectively wrong and for that reason alone causes harm. We know this because every person has a sense of right and wrong. It's the inward voice of conscience and a person  knows interiorly when he is going against an inward voice. That's why I said some things are objectivly morally wrong whether adults consent to them or not.

 

 

on Dec 20, 2010

I jumped into a family snake pit (hissing loudly)  on my husband's side regarding this issue on FB a week or so ago.  One of them wrote in using bad examples of marriage (Tiger Woods, Elizabeth Taylor, Brittany Spears etc) to show support for homosexual marrriage. 

My husband replied first explaining that these bad examples  show  the sinfulness of man.  There are many things we're not allowed to do and marrying the same sex is just one example. 

The conversation that ensued got nasty and ugly fast with absolutely no logic coming from these very very liberal relatives (all from MA) .  The attacks started almost immediately.  So typical.  When we'd answer their questions logically, backing them into a corner they'd end with an "I'm done with this conversation" never answering our questions. 

What many didn't see was that the most vicious one publicly was writing to me privately and I have to give him credit because he did apologize in the end.   Although I'm a firm believer that if you make a public idiot of yourself you should rectify it publicly as well. 

But the lack of logic and the attack mode was just so typical.  Even if it's a contentious issue there's absolutley no need for the ugliness that this can generate.   I can't believe they can't see this.  It's just so darn evident.  Instead they seemed to be cheering each other on with a love fest.

And it's true, if you open the door to legalizing homosexual marriage/sex between two consenting adults there can be no justification for NOT allowing incest and the other stuff that comes directly behind it.  Once that door is opened, it's opened.   

 

 

 

 

on Dec 20, 2010

And it's true, if you open the door to legalizing homosexual marriage/sex between two consenting adults there can be no justification for NOT allowing incest and the other stuff that comes directly behind it. Once that door is opened, it's opened.

Ain't that the truth. Ya, consent is the catchword. If you'll check the homosexual movement is pushing for lowering the age of consent. And in sex ed classes, they tell the kids, sex, any kind with anyone is OK, as long as it's consensual and using contraceptives.

 

on Dec 21, 2010

And it's true, if you open the door to legalizing homosexual marriage/sex between two consenting adults there can be no justification for NOT allowing incest and the other stuff that comes directly behind it. Once that door is opened, it's opened.

I totally disagree - but it will be used that way.  As long as their  ARGUMENTS are validated, then bestiality (talk to the dog whisperer), pedophilia (consent gets lowered - after all you do not need parents permission to have abortions now), and incest will jump right in with the SAME argument.  and that is what is happening.  What that shows is the basic argument used by some - is fatally flawed.  It does not say that the concept of homosexuals joining is wrong.  But as you pointed out earlier in your post, that is the argument of choice.  And I think many who would not otherwise think of themselves as supporting incest, pedophilia and bestiality do so because they are too stupid to admit they are wrong and stop using fallacious arguments to shove a politically correct point down the "unwashed masses" throat.

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