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Published on January 20, 2009 By Dr Guy In Politics

Two Months ago, America validated Martin Luther King's vision.  Today, Liberals, the Mainstream Media and the vested racial animosity groups drove us back 45 years.

2 months ago, America elected a black man as president.  Disregarding his race as a factor in stating they wanted a change.  But for the past year, Liberals, Race Ambulance Chasers, the Mainstream Media have worked doggedly to destroy King's vision.  And to turn back the hands of time so that instead of being able to judge a man on the content of his character, they are forcing America to judge him based upon the color of his skin.

Many people marched with King back in 63.  Wanting to keep alive a dream that many of us shared, and still share.  And some of us want to see yet to come.  But it is not now.  Today, America turned a deaf ear to King and instead marched backwards to the days when the content of a man's character was secondary to the color of his skin.

For many of us who have fought long and hard to realize that dream it is indeed a dark day.  It is not the fault of Obama, for he is a man who ran for and was elected president.  It is the fault of the liberals and Mainstream media that must force us to think of him not as a man, but as a black man.  It is very frustrating to see 45 years of work swept away with the new racists of 21st century America.

It is indeed a sad day for America.  I only hope that we can rebuild from this set back that has beset us.  And one day, the man elected president will not be known as "the <insert qualifier here> President", but as the American President.


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on Jan 20, 2009

You don't think that a bunch of whites talking about how skin color shouldn't matter to be the height of hypocrisy since when we're the ones that made it matter in this country in the first place? You all need to just sit down shut up and let the blacks have their much deserved day.  

The idea that Obama won because he's black is absurd. Even if we had eight years of good republican leadership this country doesn't keep one party in office longer that eight years anymore. Eight years is long enough for everyone to forget that the other party was just as bad so we change just for change sake. I think this was a closer race because he was black but the argument is stupid because we couldn't possible know what effect panting a white face on Obama would have had.

on Jan 20, 2009

It's amazing to me that none of you understand the significance of today for race relations in this country, mind boggling actually. A black man has been elected to the highest office in this country

YOu have so many errors, and yet that does not surprise me.  That you responded signifies that you do so out of good intentions (on the road to hell) and not out of some malevolency.  Obama was not elected today, he was sworn in.  And the significance came 2 months ago, and was destroyed by the bleatings and babblings of the liberals and Media elite.  Heis our 44th President.  Not a messiah, not a demigod, not a savior.  He has a lot of work to prove himself, and I think he knows that now.  But I am afraid the Grimas will turn his head and he will start believing the sugar coated lies the racists tell him.  That he is somehow more than a man.

He is not.  He is one of 44 (42 if you dont count Cleveland twice and Ford).  As such, he begins tomorrow the same place the other 40 odd did.  No better, no worse.  And no different.

on Jan 20, 2009

this historic event is much more significant.

No, and that is the betrayal of King's ideals I was talking about.  It is no more significant than the other 43.  His election was the validation of King.  But sadly, his inauguration is the repudiation of it.

on Jan 20, 2009

It's the same mentality as "I'm a Steelers fan I'm glad they are in the bowl". For many being "black" was the only criteria he needed.

That is not even what got me.  As a sports fan, I can understand that mentality.  My team won!  Woo HOO!  And for them that is fine.  What I find abhorent and saddening, is the adulation by the left and the media about what amounts to a man.  A man that won, as 40+ others did before him.

on Jan 20, 2009

I think this was a closer race because he was black but the argument is stupid because we couldn't possible know what effect panting a white face on Obama would have had.

Like I said, leave it to the liberals to miss the message and endorse it!

You don't think that a bunch of whites talking about how skin color shouldn't matter to be the height of hypocrisy since when we're the ones that made it matter in this country in the first place? You all need to just sit down shut up and let the blacks have their much deserved day.

And I have a simple question for you and those "other whites".  What has his skin color got to do with anything today?  Not a damn thing.

And I will tell you one more thing.  WHat your father did, or my father did, is not what I have done or will do.  If you want to live and die in the past, go find peabody and his way back machine.  History cannot be changed, and if you are going to use it as a crutch to perpetuate your racism, there is nothing anyone can do about it - this is a free country (today at least).  But that does not mean that America as a nation has to wallow in your racism.

The idea that Obama won because he's black is absurd.

I dont see anyone putting forth that conclusion.  Indeed, no one has even said anything here about why he won.  And if you like, I will do another (among many that are already on this site) on why I think he won.  But this has nothing to do with it.

on Jan 20, 2009

No, and that is the betrayal of King's ideals I was talking about. It is no more significant than the other 43. His election was the validation of King. But sadly, his inauguration is the repudiation of it.

I don't think you have really read King. This is proof that we have moved beyond the tribulations of the 60s and is to be celebrated. If he were around today, do you think he would not want to celebrate this achievement we have made as a country? The inauguration is a celebration, not a repudiation of Kings vision. It is much more significant than the other 43 because it is tangible proof of progress in our country. You can choose not to see it, but it won't make it any less true.

on Jan 20, 2009

Like I said, leave it to the liberals to miss the message and endorse it!

Leave it to a conservative to be incapable of seeing things from someone else's perspective. Why don't you ask someone black to explain to you what this means to them and whether or not they think this would be good day for MLK.

And I have a simple question for you and those "other whites". What has his skin color got to do with anything today? Not a damn thing.

I'm real happy that the color of someone's skin is a non issue for you DG but that is not the world that we live in yet. Again if you disagree just ask a black guy if he's ever experienced judgment based on his skin color to see that this is still a reality for him. But what do you care? Your not responsible for what your ancestors did and no one has ever discriminated against you because you had white skin so you've already moved on. Well bully for you.

The hole point that you can't seem to grasp is this had to happen once and there was going to be massive recognition of it as a historical event. Now that it has happened it's done, if another black president is elected you won't hear a peep about the color of his skin, we will have moved on. That is why this is in no way a dark day for anyone.

Oh and when you ask a black man make sure he looks like Kimbo Slice so he can repay you for calling me a racist. I don't understand why you can't have a discussion without being nasty.

 

 

on Jan 20, 2009

The whole point that you can't seem to grasp is this had to happen once and there was going to be massive recognition of it as a historical event. Now that it has happened it's done, if another black president is elected you won't hear a peep about the color of his skin, we will have moved on. That is why this is in no way a dark day for anyone.

Amen!

And please, let's not ignore the fact that he is wildly popular as person. His charisma has nothing to do with his ethnicity. He is simply very likable by young people.

on Jan 20, 2009

Stubby, right on!

Doc, I understnad your sentiment, and what you're saying, but you have to understand, it is not possible to forget that he is a Black man.  Yes, we must address him and look at him as a man first, but let's face it, in this country, we all see color first and gender after!  It will be baby steps towards reaching the goal of seeing a person first, and then who they are later.  You shouldn't condemn those who do for this, it is a natural part of us, as breathing, you and others just didn't realise that until now.  It is so out there, and very obvious to what others have seen and know, and have pointed out in the past, now you all get it!  Dr King would be proud, so I don't think his sentiments was betrayed at all.  Baby steps, Doc, baby steps!

on Jan 21, 2009

foreverserenity
Stubby, right on!

Doc, I understnad your sentiment, and what you're saying, but you have to understand, it is not possible to forget that he is a Black man.  Yes, we must address him and look at him as a man first, but let's face it, in this country, we all see color first and gender after!  It will be baby steps towards reaching the goal of seeing a person first, and then who they are later.  You shouldn't condemn those who do for this, it is a natural part of us, as breathing, you and others just didn't realise that until now.  It is so out there, and very obvious to what others have seen and know, and have pointed out in the past, now you all get it!  Dr King would be proud, so I don't think his sentiments was betrayed at all.  Baby steps, Doc, baby steps!

 

And why do we see color first? because its played on day after day after day after day after day after day...get what im saying? As long as the race card is played of course race will be an issue. You think I didnt vote for him because hes black? or the others for the most part that didnt vote for him? Not really... we voted on views or political party.

 

The media and the Libs always play the race card. As long as that is done putting race first will always be one of the factors. Get over yourself... MLK i really would think at first would be proud.... but as soon as race became and issue.,. out the window it goes.

 

BTW... Why do half and half always play on the minority? why never saying hes white ? answer this question Ill give you props

on Jan 21, 2009

i dunno why i'm bothering but if anyone's betraying mlk's dream it's not obama nor those who keep hoping they're not gonna wake up to discover they've just been dreaming. 

 

not believing i'd live long enough to witness what i've seen this week doesn't make me a racist. 

whenever i need guidance as to what dr king might or might not feel about current events, i gonna put a bit more stock in what people like john lewis, julian bond, andrew young and charles evers propose than someone such as yourself. 

For many of us who have fought long and hard to realize that dream it is indeed a dark day.

i'd love to hear how you put yourself on the line during the 60s or repudiated nixon's southern strategy in the 70s or bout how you worked as a community organizer in the 80s & 90s.  afterwards we can discuss your unwavering support for george lincoln rockwell allen after he screwed up and showed us all who he really was.  

And one day, the man elected president will not be known as "the stupid use of tags here prevented your text from being copied*  President", but as the American President.

can't think of a better message for you to deliver to your political allies with a penchant for referring to obama's new crib as 'the black house.'

on Jan 21, 2009

I don't think you have really read King. This is proof that we have moved beyond the tribulations of the 60s and is to be celebrated. If he were around today, do you think he would not want to celebrate this achievement we have made as a country? The inauguration is a celebration, not a repudiation of Kings vision. It is much more significant than the other 43 because it is tangible proof of progress in our country. You can choose not to see it, but it won't make it any less true.

You totally missed it.  This is not about the celebration.  I clearly stated that I understand and welcome it.  This is about how the media and liberals are holding him up as a BLACK President.  Last I checked, the oath did not say :And I will uphold the duties of the office as a BLACK MAN".  Indeed, we are now to assume that the vast majority of America does not have a president because we are not black.  And that is wrong.  It is wrong to say "you cannot criticize him because he is black..." or that "We must make allowances for his faux pas' because he is black".  Or even better - That is the greatest speech given by a black man.

All are racist and trash King's ideals.  King would have celebrated November 4, but would have hated January 20th.

on Jan 21, 2009

Dr Guy



All are racist and trash King's ideals.  King would have celebrated November 4, but would have hated January 20th.

 

Hey isnt that what I said? or was that at the other place... me cant rememeber in my old age.

 

Anyways you hit it square on the head there with that little line right there DR... keep it up

on Jan 21, 2009

Leave it to a conservative to be incapable of seeing things from someone else's perspective. Why don't you ask someone black to explain to you what this means to them and whether or not they think this would be good day for MLK.

Why should I?  Why dont you ask your liberal friends why Obama has to be treated differently?  WHy his every utterance now has to be written in the New New Testament?  Why any criticism of OUR president is seen as racist?  And again you miss it.  I am not surprised.  You see things only in black and white.  And that is the betrayal of King's ideals.

I'm real happy that the color of someone's skin is a non issue for you DG but that is not the world that we live in yet.

And never will be as long as you make it an issue.  Yes, we are going to have some KKK bigots out there, but why are YOU catering to them?  WHy not cater to the 53% that voted for him (minus the racists who did)?  Or the 46% who did not vote for him, but not because he was black? (again a small percentage).

It is the Liberals and Media that seem to think we must look at him for the color of his skin, and not the content of his character.  Some will, but November 4 proved that your way of thinking is definitely in the minority, and the biggest self interest block perpetuating it, are the liberals and Media (the bigots are a small part of it, but then any excuse to perpetuate it seems to be fine with Liberals and the Media).

The hole point that you can't seem to grasp is this had to happen once and there was going to be massive recognition of it as a historical event.

And the WHOLE point you miss is that it happened 2 months ago, not today or yesterday. 

Oh and when you ask a black man make sure he looks like Kimbo Slice so he can repay you for calling me a racist. I don't understand why you can't have a discussion without being nasty.

And here ladies and gents, we see the validation of the point again.  Calling someone black is not a perjorative, nor is calling someone a racist - if they are one.  You are not a "Burn a cross on the lawn" racist, but an institutional racist.  You have to perpetuate racism to maintain your sense of purpose and power base.  Whether you burn a cross on a lawn, or do it for other reasons, the end result is the same.

The discussion is not nasty.  ANy more than telling the emperor he has no clothes is nasty.  To this comment, the only "nastiness" has been in the feelings that have been hurt when a mirror was held up to individuals.

on Jan 21, 2009

And please, let's not ignore the fact that he is wildly popular as person. His charisma has nothing to do with his ethnicity. He is simply very likable by young people.

And that has to do with the point how?  I have not commented on his popularity or actually the man himself (except in passing).  You and Stubby are trying to make this a blog on Obama, and it is not, nor will I allow it to be.  It is not about Obama, it is about the racist that are trying to turn back the clock 45 years (and even 2 months) and tell us that now we have to start over again.

And in that, I will resist you.  Sorry, but racism, in all its insidious forms, is abhorent, and I will call it out when I see it.

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