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Published on April 3, 2006 By Dr Guy In Current Events

I thought about putting this in Personal Computing since that is my career, but decided perhaps it is indicative on modern society.

Over the past 6+ months, I have been faced with many situations where diagnosing a problem has been slammed, and do something pushed.  To the effect that our network has been compromised several times by rash decisions by bosses that don't know what the hell they are talking about, but must get results "NOW".  Even tho said results cost us many hours of down time due to making a bad situation worse.

OK, I will be the first to admit that doing board level diagnostics on a PC is as effective as writing on stone tablets.  And I am not talking about that.  I cut my teeth in the 80s on board level diagnostics, but when boards became cheap, you trashed the board and installed a new one!  I can deal with that.  Indeed today, we don't even try to figure out what is wrong with a PC.  Does not work, slap a new one in and let the Warranty guys figure it out (that is not my department).

But Telecommunications in the 21st century are not PCs.  They are complex beasts with many points of failure.  And before you go and "fix" something, it would be good to know what was broken. 

But instead of allowing high priced engineers to perform the diagnostics to identify the problem, managers are now coming in and saying "wipe and re-install, carte blanche!".  This has happened 3 times to me in the last 6 months.  In 2 of the cases, I was able to prove that our actions made the situation worse through the rash orders of incompetent management.  It is plain to see, and should it ever come up I will call for an inquiry to prove that not allowing me to do my job turned a 2 hours down time, into a 24 hours one.

Today was another example.  But this time I yelled (yes, literally yelled) back that there was a single problem not a rash of problems and we need to identify the source of the problem and fix it.  Not "Wipe and re-install".  I was then "Ordered' to do as I was told.  So I complied.

Fortunately, a saner head decide to re-verify with the user that all his PCs were down, or just one (I told them it was just one).  The user had over reacted (Gee!  Ya think?  I have never seen that before!), and indeed it was only one computer, not a whole department.  At the last moment, we were saved from rebuilding a half dozen computers and instead could fix (a simple renaming) the one that was at fault.

All this brings up the philosophical.  Have we reached the stage in today's society that we are willing to just trash good systems because we do not have the time to do some simple diagnostics?  If so, why are there network Engineers?  That is our job.  To Identify the problem and look for the solution.  Instead I work for people that will not accept that reality, do no wrong, and think that wiping and re-installing works better than finding the problem and fixing it.

And that is a sad commentary on today's throw away society.  Gone are the TV Repairmen.  Gone are the Appliance (except MAJOR ones) repairmen.  instead, it breaks, don't look for the cause, throw away and buy a new one.  Our Dumps are filled with appliances that need nothing more than a solenoid coil, or a new relay.  But instead of fixing it, we trash it.

Now it seems our data communications are coming to that point as well.  Or is it?  Is it just that I work for a couple of arrogant buffoons, or is this the face of the new Telecom world.  I am sure most, if not all of us have been given the run around when calling an ISP, only for the problem to be 'miraculously' fixed all of a sudden.  Those of us in the know, know that the problem was on their end, and they just could not bring themselves to be honest about it and give it to us straight.

Now we have incompetent people forcing us to perform our jobs that way.  Based on what?  The hysteric rantings of an end user that does not understand a keyboard from a mouse.  The Peter Principal is alive and well, and has now taken over IT.  Good Luck NG.  You are going to need it with the clowns you are bringing over.

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on Apr 03, 2006
Sounds like a pretty stupid way to run a company. When I worked in telecommunications skilled and effective troubleshooting were the skills to possess and I moved up through the ranks quickly thanks to those skills.

A good manager allows his/her people to do what they are good at. "Fix the problem" should be the only directive. How is up to the people you have hired for their knowledge and skills.

It sounds more like a problem of poor management skills to me.
on Apr 03, 2006

It sounds more like a problem of poor management skills to me.

The interesting thing was that I listened to the Donald Trump Minute this morning (it is on at 7:58).  And in it he railed against this very thing!  He is not a Carter lover.  His premise (and one that I have always lived by) is if you are going to micromanage, why hire good people?

And then the Captain nailed me again today for not "doing" before I knew what needed to be done.

Hmmmm, maybe I need to send my resume to the Donald?  nahhhh!  I hate NYC!

on Apr 03, 2006
And then the Captain nailed me again today for not "doing" before I knew what needed to be done.


Time to polish up that crystal ball.

Sounds like a person who has risen to his level of incompetence.
on Apr 03, 2006
Our video player recently had a problem. It is a very good vcr, a Sony, about 8 years old now, but up until recently had been working well. Although we don't use it that much, it is handy to have around 'just in case'. So I took it to a repair man who advised that I might as well 'chuck it in the bin' because it would be too much to fix it. Then he said, "Beside, don't you know you could pick up a video player really cheaply anyway". The way he looked when I asked him if he could have a look at it anyway and let me know how much it might cost to repair was like I was asking him to pull his own teeth.

I think there is so much conspicuous consumption these days and conspicuous waste is a natural by-product. I refuse to throw away something that might only need a tweak to get working again.
on Apr 03, 2006
Unfortunately that man was right. Why fix for $100+ when you can get new one for 30 bucks?

It's all about economics.


Same time, you can take it too far, like DR guy's boss.
on Apr 04, 2006
Why fix for $100+ when you can get new one for 30 bucks?


Yeah, but it still irks me. It is like desktops. As soon as I got mine home, I found out it was virtually obselete.
on Apr 04, 2006
I don't really care of my computer is old or not. My computer is now about 7 years old. I got it at 1999. It's still chugging along, running server 2003 for domain in my home.
on Apr 04, 2006

Sounds like a person who has risen to his level of incompetence.

It is interesting to see the Peter Principal in action.

on Apr 04, 2006

I think there is so much conspicuous consumption these days and conspicuous waste is a natural by-product. I refuse to throw away something that might only need a tweak to get working again.

I know what you mean.  I know you can go out and get a VCR or DVD or combo player for a few bucks, but it seems wasteful to just throw one away if it is something simple.  However, the repair guy is going to charge you for the diagnostic and that is usually more expensive than the unit and fix itself.

on Apr 04, 2006

Same time, you can take it too far, like DR guy's boss.

A computer is a simple machine in reality.  However networks are a combination of many machines all working together.  And while computers have been around for 50+ years, networks are a relatively new invention (at least Local Area Networks), and thus are prone to breaking and problems.  That is why they have engineers.  If they were simple things, then Ma and Pa could fix them and I would not have a job.  Until and unless people realize that, they are always going to make the problem worse by not allowing time for diagnosing where the problem lies, and then fixing the problem.  If you just throw money at it, you just make the problem worse.

on Apr 04, 2006

As soon as I got mine home, I found out it was virtually obselete.

ALl too true!  During my divorce, I had to include the replacement cost of a computer every 18 months just so I could maintain my professional competancy.  And that is about the time between purchases.

on Apr 04, 2006

My computer is now about 7 years old. I got it at 1999. It's still chugging along, running server 2003 for domain in my home.

Hmmm, 99.....that would make it about a 600-800mhz machine.  Adequate for a server, sucks as a workstation - especially if you want to do graphics and photo editing!  I actually have a 600 mhz machine running Netware 5.1.  About the same age as well.  But file servers are not really stressed as workstations are (unless you are constantly adding and removing components).

on Apr 04, 2006
That's true. I'm still wondering what to do when vista comes out.

HMM my computer must have been updated a few years later since it's 1.4 GHz... Maybe I upgraded the motherboard and cpu in 2001 or so.
on Apr 04, 2006

HMM my computer must have been updated a few years later since it's 1.4 GHz... Maybe I upgraded the motherboard and cpu in 2001 or so.

I very rarely BUY a computer.  I build them from best of breed.  In fact, the last one I bought for myself was an Acer 100mhz one! (it was a steal).  I was just going on mine as I brought that server up back in 99, cheap graphics card (it is a server) and 512mb of ram.  I have added a couple of more drives since then, so it has a whopping 40 gb of storage (6.4, 13.6 and 20)!  WOW!

on Apr 04, 2006
I am so glad I don't work where you do doc. We are a small company (100 or so employees). I have non production servers and production ones. If we are having a problem the very last thing we do is trash a production piece of equipment before making it work on the non production.

We have to consider our dollars spent and uptime in every decision we make. I can't afford to take a single production server down. We only have about 20 clients who use our real-time production data website. That's just a handful of people ... until they start complaining. The sound becomes deafening.
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